On Sep 19, 1:32 pm, kfw1...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Pilgrim, the article you posted makes important points, but it doesn't
> go so far as to support your argument.
Well, since my argument was simply to show the high level of
dishonesty in anti-... and homophobic propaganda, I'm satisfied with
the level of proof.
> The Dutch study isn't the only
> one to show that ... men are on average much more promiscuous than
> men.
LOL.. ... men are men, but the Dutch study wasn't a comprehensive
study of ... men in general so it is extremely dishonest to use it as
proof of what you already believe. Do you get that? Judging from the
way you approach this topic, I wouldn't trust that you understand the
results of most of these studies anyway. You take Focus on the Family
at face value, for instance. I've been following their antics for a
few years now. They are dishonest to the core and have been twisting
the results of legitimate studies for political reasons the entire
time I've been following them.
> And we also know that hetero men are significantly more
> promiscuous than women. In other words, _men_ are more promiscuous,
> and when they're not it's often because they want to honor their
> commitment to their wives or are afraid of losing them if they don't.
> This is basic knowledge. Furthermore, as we've seen, half the ... men
> in one study don't even see monogamy as a condition of marriage. So
> does anyone/how could anyone in his or her right mind not think ...
> couples are more promiscuous than straight ones?
Well, dang, Ken. We should just make it illegal for men to marry.
Only women should be allowed because we are less promiscuous. That'll
solve that. We can set up a communal system to raise the kids and
...s, being the most monogamous of people, should be instrumental
in all child care situations because we have the best influence on
them due to our monogamous nature.
Honestly, I don't think ... men are more promiscuous than straight
men. I think some straight men are more promiscuous than some ... men
(and some straight men just want to be) and some ... men are more
promiscuous than some straight men. If the only thing holding
straight men back from promiscuity is a commitment to their spouse or
fear of their partner leaving them, then legalizing ... marriage would
probably lessen some of that promiscuity. This is a male issue, not a
... issue. Perhaps we should socialize boys differently. Personally,
I'm voting for rock musicians as the most promiscuous, followed by a
few Senators...
So, basically, I agree with you about male promiscuity, but I disagree
with you about the specialness of ... men.
I don't, however, believe that monogamy is a necessary condition of
marriage, though I go for monogamy, myself, being one of those
superiorly monogamous ... types. Different people have different
approaches to the idea of marriage. This is apparently something that
causes you great distress. In fact, I'd venture to say that any non-
traditional change gives you the holy wiggins.
Polyamory...BOO!
I also don't believe that marriage and children need to go together.
They are separate issues. I know of just as many stable and positive
single parented families as I do two parent families - and some very,
very destructive nuclear families. Poverty and abuse of various kinds
are far more of an issue where kids are concerned than the number of
parents. Also, divorce effects kids the most when the parents use the
kids to get back at each other. That wreaks some serious damage.
>
> And in fact we see that the article you posted has one glaring error,
> one "glaring logical fallacy," which is that it cites no study showing
> just how many ... men are monogamous.
The purpose of the article was to show the dishonesty of anti-... use
of the Dutch study. The logical fallacy is your expectation that it
be otherwise.
> If they were likely to be as
> monogamous as straights, the question would have been studied. And if
> it had been studied and results were favorable to your case, the study
> would obviously have been cited, since it would be the slam dunk to
> your case. Obvious conclusion: no such study exists. ...s are on
> average much more promiscuous than straights.
There are studies on it. The difference between ... male
relationships and straight relationships is the recognition of open
relationships vs. the lack of openness and the resulting affairs,
cheating and use of prostitutes (it's multi-billion dollar industy for
a reason). For me, having no moral objection to open relationships
and polyamory and a definite objection to dishonesty in a
relationship, the straight/monogamous only model you propose is far
more destructive to marriage than an open relationship between 2 men
would be - or an open relationship between a man and a woman or a
woman and a woman.
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