On Sep 19, 10:01 am, Martin Koolhoven
wrote:
> I think this conversation is strange in onother
> way. We're talking about their right to adopt which should be
> something completely different from there right to marry.
I agree the issues are separate, but the same data has to be examined.
> > > Do you know they're wrong about this? No, all you know is that you
> > > don't want to believe them.
>
> > I have reason to doubt them. It's like reading about blacks on a
> > KluKluxKlan site.
>
> Yeah, that's what you guys want to believe, and no amount of my
> posting evidence to the contrary ever makes you change your mind.
>
> Which positive evidence?
The Klu Klux Klan was an organization that was respected in the South
and that used violence -- often murder -- to intimidate black people.
You made the comparison, you come up with the "positive evidence," and
isolated cases among the hundreds of millions in the West who
disapprove of homo.uality doesn't cut it. You're comparison is a
slur -- it's bigotry.
> >OK,
>
> then, enjoy believing that conservative Christians hate ...s. That
> really simplifies matters, doesn't it?
>
> I don't believe all do. I haven't seen conservative Christian
> organizations, though.
Then you ought to see some before you label them.
> > But as I posted earlier, they're not the
>
> > > only people citing these problems.
>
> > Find me a nonreligious source. Every nonreligious source I can find
> > comes to a completely different conclusion then your beliefs.
>
> The article I posted has all sorts of cites from secular sources.
> Journal of Counseling and Development, Journal of Divorce and
> Remarriage, Developmental Psychology, Child Psychiatry and Human
> Development , etc.
>
> Here's an FRC article on ... health with dozens of citations from
> secular sources:http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1Do you think kids
> benefit from healthy parents?
>
> Sure. Are unhealthy parents forbidden to have children? Should they?
Excuse me. First of all, you forgot to acknowledge that there are all
sorts of secular sources providing data you claim is only coming from
the religious right. And the issue is not whether ...s should be
forbidden to have kids. As you know, or as you know if you can read, I
have not suggested that they should be forbidden. The issue isn't even
whether kids are better off with ... parents or no parents and in an
orphanage. I have answered that question, and no I won't repeat my
answer. Please don't ask leading questions that imply I believe things
I don't. The issue is whether we want to call ... parenting as good as
straight parenting without studying it, so that more and more
bi.uals will leave their marriages for ... relationships, and more
and more ...s will have test tube kids, and more and more kids besides
those orphans will have ... parents.
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